📺 Trust Wall and "How did you get my number?" hit more on YouTube. Find those first.
📅 Shield and Stall hit most on scheduled calls. They had time to think between booking and talking.
What it means
They want one number to shop elsewhere. Give it now and you lose them before the conversation starts.
A — Acknowledge
"You want to know the rates — no problem at all."
R — Respond
"I'm going to cover all the pricing on this call — that's exactly why we're talking."
P — Pivot (pick one — say it, then stop talking)
"Quick question first — are you looking to buy a new property, or pull cash out of one you already own?"
🔄 Other pivot options
"Do you own this property free and clear, or is there still a balance on it?"
"What are you planning to do with the cash once you pull it out?"
"Have you done a DSCR loan before, or is this your first time looking at one?"
Why the pivot works
The moment they answer, they've invested. Investment creates momentum. Pick ONE and lock it in — don't rotate mid-call.
What it means
Scared of something — rate or fees — and won't name it. A stall with no next step is a quiet exit. "Perfect, perfect" is the sound of you accepting it.
A — Acknowledge
"You need time to look it over — that's fair."
R — Force the real fear out
"What specifically do you want to think through — is it the rate, the fees, or something else?"
C — ARC it now
"Let me ARC that right now. Which one is it — the rate, the fees, or the timing?"
Never say "I'll follow up." Lock in a specific day and a specific time before you get off the phone.
What it means
The spouse is an exit vehicle, not a real blocker. The tell: "I don't want to waste your time." They were already planning not to come back.
A — Acknowledge
"You want to talk to your wife first — completely understand."
R — Separate real need from polite exit
"Were you two on the same page before this call?"
What their answer tells you
Yes → schedule them both. No → now you know the real issue.
C — Spouse becomes the next scheduled call
"Let's get her on the call too. What time works for both of you tomorrow?"
Hits more on YouTube. They didn't search for you — your ad found them. Suspicion is normal. It's not personal.
What it means
Not aggression — fear. Past experiences on high alert. Walk around it, don't fight it.
A — Acknowledge
"You want to verify exactly who you're dealing with — that's incredibly smart."
R — Give them something real
"Here's what I can tell you: I only get paid when you close. No upfront fees, no hourly rate. If this doesn't make sense for you, I'll be the first one to tell you."
Why not the NMLS number
Most of these leads aren't in California and won't know what NMLS means or how to look it up. Saying "I only get paid when you close" is verifiable by logic alone — they don't need to go anywhere to confirm it's true. It lands harder.
P — Pivot past the fight (pick one)
"Before I build your quote — are you trying to minimize the monthly payment, or maximize how much cash you pull out? Those are two different strategies."
🔄 Other pivot options
"What's the property — single family, or is it a multi-unit?"
"Roughly what loan amount are you looking at? Just ballpark."
"Is this a property you've had for a while, or something you recently acquired?"
Why this works
They can't say no to a question about their own goals. You broke their script without challenging their suspicion. The call moves forward without a fight.
What it means
They opened the quote alone without context. Prevention is the real fix. This is the recovery.
A — Acknowledge
"Those numbers look huge — I completely understand why that's alarming."
R — Walk through it line by line
"Think of it like a receipt — every cost is on its own line. Let me tell you what each one means."
1️⃣ $99 today — that's all that comes out of your pocket upfront.
2️⃣ Broker fee — your choice. Lower rate and it comes out of the loan, OR roll it in and keep more cash. Never from your bank account.
3️⃣ Title and state fees — government transfer costs, same with any lender. We don't keep any of it.
C — Choice close
"Does that make more sense? Would you rather roll the fees in, or have them deducted from your payout?"
Real fix: run Three Buckets verbally before every quote email. Every time.
What it means
High-FICO borrowers expect residential rates. Pre-frame the rate difference before quoting it.
A — Acknowledge
"I hear you — it's higher than a residential rate and that makes sense to question."
R — The trade-off
"The reason is the trade-off. No tax returns. No W-2s. No income verification at all. The bank takes on more flexibility — and the rate reflects that. You're paying a small premium to bypass the entire qualification process that's blocked you everywhere else."
P — Pivot to their goal
"The question isn't what the rate is — it's whether the cash you pull out does more for you than sitting locked in the property. What's the plan for the money once you have it?"
What it means
A fear they haven't named — carrying cost, timing, another deal they're waiting on. Can't ARP what you can't name. The PUO question surfaces it before the pitch.
The fix — ask before the pitch
"If after we go over everything and you agree it all makes sense — is there any reason you wouldn't be able to move forward today?"
Timing matters
Ask at peak trust — right before your pitch. After the pitch, their guard is back up and the honest answer is gone.
If they go on a tangent (side business, MLM, random story)
"I love it — and honestly, once we get this property squared away, you'll have the capital to do exactly that. But if the right deal shows up next month, you need to already be pre-approved or a cash buyer beats you to it. Let's get you set up right now."
🔄 Then immediately pivot with one of these
"So tell me — what's the property you're looking to pull equity from?"
"How long have you owned that property?"
"Is it currently rented? What does it bring in?"
Why a question, not a statement
A tangent means they're stalling while deciding. Redirecting with a question pulls them back into their own situation — which is where you need them to be. A statement just continues the tangent.
📺 YouTube only
"How did you get my number?"
"You filled out a form on our landing page after seeing our YouTube ad. Want me to resend that confirmation to you?"
Build trust — two sentences
"I only get paid when you close. No upfront fees, no hourly rate. If this doesn't make sense for you, I'll be the first one to tell you."
📅 Scheduled only
Use their form data — first sentence
"I see you put down [amount/city/property type] on the form — is that still what you're thinking, or has anything changed?"
Close using their time commitment
"I'm sending the link right now. You set aside this time already — can we knock it out together while I have you on the line?"
Always — every call
🔒 DSCR in one sentence
"As long as the monthly rent covers the monthly mortgage, the house qualifies itself."
⚡ PUO — before every pitch
"If after we go over everything and you agree it all makes sense — is there any reason you wouldn't be able to move forward today?"
💬 When they stall — instead of "Perfect, perfect"
"What specifically do you want to think through — is it the rate, the fees, or something else?"
Everything else lives in the flow steps ↑
Credit pull, application, numbers walkthrough, close script — all in steps 1–8 on the Call Flow tab. This tab is for quick-grab lines only.
📺 YouTube — disqualify more often mid-call. They arrive earlier in their decision.
📅 Scheduled — form answers aren't always accurate. Still ask both questions first.
"Is this for a property you rent out, or a home you actually live in?"
"DSCR is investment-only — I can't help on this one. Your best bet is a traditional bank for a primary residence refi. Have a great day."
"Roughly what loan amount are you looking to pull out?"
"Our minimum is $100,000 — at that size the closing costs wouldn't be fair to you. A local credit union would serve you better for a smaller amount."
"What does your credit score look like — ballpark?"
"We need at least a 620 to get this done. Let's revisit in a few months once you've moved the score up — I'll make a note to follow up with you."
"Is there a structure on the property, or is this raw land?"
"DSCR needs income-producing property — land-only isn't eligible. That would need a construction or land loan, which is a different product entirely."
"Is it currently rented? What does it rent for?"
"With no tenant we'd use the appraiser's market rent estimate — trickier but possible. Tell me more about the plan for the property."
"What rate are you at now on this property?"
"Trading out of a 2–3% rate to access equity is a tough math problem. Have you thought about a second lien instead? Or does this have to be a full cash-out refi?"
📊 Credit Score — Quick Reference
DSCR Minimum: 620 FICO
The floor. Below this, there's no deal — not even with strong assets or equity.
🚫
Below 620
"We need at least a 620 to get this done. Let's revisit in a few months once the score moves up — I'll make a note to follow up."
⚠️
620–659 — Works, but limited
Qualifies, but max LTV drops to 65–70%. Less cash out, higher rate. Tell them upfront so there's no surprise on the quote.
✅
660–679 — Solid
Good deal range. Up to 70–75% LTV depending on loan size.
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680+ — Best terms
Full program access. Up to 75–80% LTV. Best rates. This is the Alvin Blair / Troy Hammond profile.
How to ask it on the call
"What does your credit score look like — ballpark? We start at 620 for DSCR, so just want to make sure we're in range before we dig in."
Say the floor number. It screens unqualified leads before you've spent 30 minutes on them.